but i really think peoples need to EASE up on the MY PRONOUNS!
i agree its rude/disrespectful wont argue that! thats why i respect them if i know them
BUT! BUT! BUT!
they have the rights to call you or any one they want what ever they want! i rather be called a male then be called an idiot for example. The person would have their freedom of speech to call me others... okay calling me a male they might be assumed stupid or an ass hole besides point.
ps: if i dont like you and i wanna piss you off! chances are i might just purposefully call you the wrong pronouns to piss you the fuck off! because it shows to work time and time again!
and as of the guy calling her/someone a foxy lady
shouldnt she be flattered foxy lady is seen as a complument? would she rather foxy lady be seen as a insult
"urgh that woman was such a foxy/annoying/stupid/dumb lady" or
"wow that woman was such a foxy/sexy/cute lady"
idk i rather be called foxy it sounds sexier imo =p
wasnt touchy was just stating my opinion last i check i can do that cant i? i thought it was good just thought the womans reaction to being called foxy was stupid (HER REACTION NOT THE ARTIST KRAZYIVAN DID GREAT!)
yeah i misread that too, i have come across a few things like this in the past that i was verbally beaten down by, my automatic response is to say "sorry didnt mean to offend".
my sister is a new wave feminist, cant say much that doesn't offend her. I called my female dog a bitch the other day and she scorned me for using a word that has "negative female connotations", even though i was using it in the literal sense. I'm all for equal rights for everyone and doing your best not to bully people or to not be condescending but some of this shit is ridiculous.
Pronouns are a tough subject, a lot of people involved are too quick to jump to the defensive, so much so that they are blind to looking at the issue objectively and realise that most people will not ask them what gender they'd preferred to be addressed as upon first meeting. I can understand being annoyed to have to tell most of everyone you meet that you prefer to be referred as "Xe" but most people simply don't care and will not go to the extra effort. Remember kid's: People are lazy dickwads.
It's one thing to hate on feminism and sjws, but really all you are doing is belittling transgender people's problems. Focus on your art and less on your new fave feminist sister.
"Trans-animals", otherkin, and related genderspecials are not transgender people and conflating the two does far more to illegitimize actual trans problems far more than mocking them ever will.
@ krazyivan (and any 1 else misreaded it) its okay it happens
krazyivan its a good concept i definantly do believe when/if trans-animal happens there be very uh uptight my pronouns! or calling it "cat call" or "foxy lady" is an insult or what ever to my specie/race/culture/what ever
i do think you should do what ever you want you will end up offending peoples there nothing you can do that wont offend someone for some reason. but as some peoples been saying
idk about most others but i for one would love to trans-animal with out a doubt but science is just not there and when it is we can bring it into play but until then monorails right it kinda belittle/illegitimize the true transgender community and their problem when u go around being a "otherkin werewolf" barking at barq rootbeer
ive been picked on many times in elementry for being who i am....
now i dont agree with this for kids but adults should really stop caring what strangers says about them! only peoples that matters on their opinion is ur family/friends that you care about this is soemthing i believe everyone should do
if a random person doesnt respect you then let it be walk off and let him be because u probably wont see him again and if u do u never know ur next encounter can be better
one of my best friends from high school when i first met them i told them off thinking they were friends with a jackass at school
next time we met we bonded over a light saber and we became good friends
point:
let by gone be by gone and be the better/bigger person and let it roll off ur back and if u need to vent have a good friend to vent to that will listen and give constructive criticism if needed!
Just tell your sister she's acting like a sermonizing Protestant Christian. That should shut her up. (Seriously, you have my deepest Trans sympathies for living with a secular cultist.)
End story: You do not earn people's respect or compliance with your social terms by blackmailing and shaming them. That is the method of a tyrant. (Also, your sister is a bitch in the not literal sense--and petty and immature, to boot.)
Oh, just make whatever you want and if there's a valid conversation then have it. Otherwise don't worry so much about offending people. They'll survive until the whole feeling blows over.
There are a lot of trans folks in the TF fandom, for reasons that I think are pretty clear. You're going to be responsible for the content that you put out into the world. You went through the effort of creating this, so you need to be prepared to back yourself up when people criticize this for being insensitive, which it is, or for focusing more on people who complain about injustice than on the injustice itself, which it also does.
I've seen way more complaints about SJWs than I've met people who fit the label. I've been shouted down by grown adults for using gender-neutral language in circumstances where gender was unimportant to the conversation. To paraphrase Margaret Atwood, cis folks are afraid trans folks will yell at them, trans folks are afraid that cis folks will kill them.
This kind of post, and the assenting replies below, really go to show how toxic this particular community is to social progress. This kind of post has consequences.
This thread could have gone worse, but it didn't go great, either. I am glad KrazyIvan says he isn't going to keep pursuing this material in his (otherwise very good) work.
Swatcher, get fucked and let the 'trans folks in the TF fandom' stand up for themselves as individuals. We're not invalids, you moralizing cretin, we can make our own appeals if we feel threatened/hurt. Christ, what are you, the Pope of Trans-identity?
I agree with you. Everybody needs to back themselves up when confronted, unless it just isn't worth the time, which is a lot of the time now that I think about it.
I just don't see this as insensitive, though. I think it's less insensitive, and more that most people are too sensitive, use emotional reasoning and overreact to anything that they think should 'offend' them because it might not be "politically correct".
What this is, is called 'satire'. Something the gibbering loons of Social Justice and Political Correctness have forgotten or never learned the value of in the first place.
They forget it is entirely possible to be good-willed and thus meddle in and ruin the lives of others--(thus their whole typical hate for Christians and by extension Jews >=3)
This isn't about being a good or a bad person, so it doesn't matter what a person's will is or what they meant to do. This is just about actions and how they can contribute to a toxic atmosphere.
There's a reason people have emotions, and they affect cognition. Emotional reasoning can lead to you feeling that you're contributing to a toxic atmosphere. Like, "man, SJWs are fucking annoying and they piss me off, so they must be wrong, and I'm gonna let everyone know", not realizing that it drives folks off who might be great members of the community. Society needs sensitive people just as much as insensitive jerks who tell online strangers to get fucked without knowing a thing about them. Love to try to be serious and have a real conversation with someone who does that and who thinks anyone who agrees with me is a "gibbering loon".
I've seen trans folks leave the TF fandom over this kind of garbage, so that's the experience I'm speaking from.
+Swatcher Moreover, I don't care about your group identity. I will enjoy the topic of TF whether there is a 'fandom' at the end of the day or not. Observe that this is a fandom about 'transformation', not 'defending Trans people's interests'. That would be the LGBT. Go on, scoot. Scurry off with the rest of the cthonic spider monsters that want hegemonic control over other people's interests. There are other artists I can follow, and other enthusiasts for me to get to know, who don't need a collective behind them to speak up. Shan't be missed.
+Swatcher By the way, it's not even that "SJWs are fucking annoying and piss me off". It's something much, much simpler than that. Ready? Brace yourself: *You speak up on behalf of other people, who don't want or require words to be shoved in their mouths, and are effectively dictatorial in how you go about forcing 'improvement' upon others. Moreover, doing this within a group-identity framework leads to the effect that you 'fumigate' an empty label, trying to clear it out for imaginary people, while dissing and dismissing all the real ones. Basically, get fucked infinitely on an IED in Lebanon, you pretend philanthropist.
Wow, did people here actually end up arguing about this being offensive to whichever group(s) it's (allegedly) offensive to? That is the problem with all these 'grouping': everyone thinks they have more rights than anyone else.
You have the right to not like the joke, but do you really have the right to tell people if they shouldn't draw anything similar in the future? If you say that you are just infringing upon their rights of free speech and opinion!
If someone uploads something here, why should they be prepared to defend it? If someone finds it offensive or insensitive... Well, tough break. No one's forcing you to like it, move along and do something else. But do not try to play the alleged hero and hurry to protect people's rights, because by doing so, you will only be suppressing other people's rights to their own opinion.
As K-Libra said, just draw whatever you wish! If people get sore over it, well... They will get better eventually!
+garig1510 Trans and not bothered by this in the slightest.
People overlook the fact that people who are Trans, and people who get bothered on behalf of Trans people, are two entirely different categories of individual. They needn't overlap.
It's entirely possible to be complete slime who gets offended on behalf of others, for their own sense of accomplishment/self-worth, and not even be Trans or care to be.
Really sick of being conflated with misguided do-gooders and fame-whores for progress.
I want my girl parts, and my fox parts, and I want left alone to my own devices. How hard is this to understand? I don't need 'protection'.
The problem when you start championing the 'Trans' identity, is that you stop championing the individuals whom that identity describes, who may all want and experience distinctly different things. It's a categorization nightmare.
Like, I've been on HRT for a year and a half, and discontinued it because it was making me sick. Given the means to be a healthy woman, I would pursue procedures to approach that goal--but I'm not crushed under the burden of some kind of pathology, and I'm not 'confused' about my interests. Another person might have a different story, and they'll at some point get identified using a similar label.
The point is that the entire premise of the Trans Label is a nebulous monster that silences all the varying individuals beneath it--we're not going to fit into a one-size fits all mold.
It might be, but there is one catch: you have the right to say whatever you want. But! You don't have the right to tell people what they should and shouldn't do, because by saying so, you are placing your rights to free speech higher than theirs. Your rights end where his begin. End of story.
Therefore what gives you more right than him to decide what he wishes to post?
But don't you understand, Garig? They're the Swatcher! They speak for the Trans! (they're all voiceless and vegetative pathological invalids, don't you know--gotta get that authoritarian foot in the door... just... take this fucking duck tape, stifle your hate speech, and accommodate the Advocacy-borg)
Free speech: someone all furries are gay promiscuous degenerates.
Also free speech: Replying to the first statement in a hostile manner.
Tone policing: A trans person calling out someone for using a label they don't like.
also tone policing: trying to silence said trans person by calling them a "SJW", "postermodernist cultural marxist", demanding "civil discourse", etc.
Identity politics: Saying one is fighting for feminists, BLM, trans people, MRAs, etc.
Also identity politics: Pushing for policies as part of "Judeo-Christian culture", "Western Civilization", "Republican" or "Democratic party values", etc.
Side note-don't get too excited about CRISPR technology. You can bet your ass that a lot of people, playing identity politics to the hilt, will be using Judeo-Christian identity to stop somatic tissue CRISPR applications, much less germ-line applications.
Also, it's not a 'Judeo-Christian' identity. You have Jews who observe Judaism, you have people who understand and observe Christianity, and you have confused people in the middle who observe Messianic Judaism, which is like a frankenstein's-monster of the two belief systems, that leads to your crazy evangelical bigots. There is no 'Judeo-Christian' identity. They're totally different belief systems that just happened to be forcefully merged, under one secular society (Rome).
Ahahahaha is that a Jordan Peterson video??? That guy's an ivory tower intellectual nothingburger who woos morons using big words into believing the thing they always wanted to believe anyway with zero evidence to back him up. Have you seen his grand theory diagrams? They look like fucking timecube.
Ah yes, the brainwashing shows. Run, run from the evil pseud professor, Swatcher. I thought that might push your buttons.
I like Peterson's position on Free Speech, and his understanding of Jungian psychology. I think he needs to read up more on Buddhism before he spouts nonsense about it matching with his assertions. But I am entirely in line with his position on the premise of compelled-speech.
+Swatcher Not that you have any respect for others to allow people to formulate their own opinions about folks like Peterson, to begin with, mind. That's all gotta be joystick driven by committee, clearly.
+JaneFW He's suing a university for defamation, because members within that university put Lindsey Shephard, a teacher within the university system, under a tribunal for airing footage of his lectures--conflating that with airing content from Hitler non-critically.
It's entirely likely that a way is found to dissuade the immune system from attacking these sorts of proteins or their products. It's just another hurdle for the field of immunology to resolve.
Oh, don't pull that 'mean to the actual trans people' crap on me. For all you know, the people here are actual trans people, fed up with the constant policing. You might as well be condemning people here in the name of 'God'.
As an actual trans person, I'm in the "this strongly reminds me of the kind of things transphobes come out with to 'satirise*' us camp".
But by all means keep screaming into the void that it's all just made up.
* Satire's key feature is, of course, ridiculing power via an exaggeration that reveals the flaws in said power. If this piece were meant as satire, it would fail on both accounts (neither the TF community nor trans people are in a position of power, and comparing animal TF to being trans isn't a sound argument).
Shut up, *prole*. You're not getting *power*, either. You gonna have the TF fandom labeled a bunch of transphobic oppressors, then? Well, I'm going to take exception to that and resist your petty whims. Don't like it? Tough.
I like TF, I don't like your power games. I could give a flip whether your minge/cock is real or not, or how much you dilate. If you sat and thought for a second, you'd come to the conclusion that most people here don't care about it, either. Surprisingly, some people fantasize a transformation, because they might want to pursue it of their own free will, and guess what, bitch: YOU DON'T CARE ABOUT THOSE PEOPLE BEING A DIS-EMPOWERED MINORITY, EITHER.
But go on, tell us how being told what to think and say is better at making us not hate you, than us deciding you're fine, of our own ability to reason. Cry how you're the 'one true prole', and all the other groups are just pretenders, who need to kneel and play stair for you.
The answer is: "This is your confirmation bias that everyone hates you, activating, and you turning to authoritarian attitudes and class struggle power-games, to get what you want."
So no, I don't care that your 'culture' is taking offense, because it never sat down at the table to negotiate that group identity with the rest of the world, and it can't, because Trans is not a monolith. You're not a tribe, or a nation, or even an ethnicity. Your best argument is that some Trans folks have similar motives or a similar pathology--but they're not all in the same camp as you, and short of oppressing out all the outliers who see themselves as Trans, but aren't Trans enough by your standards, that's never going to happen--so sit on a pike and rotate.
It always fascinates me how you hypocrites can't see that this door swings both ways within your own philosophical rubric.
No one is mandated to care about your Trans narrative, the same way you are not mandated to care why people like Osamu Tezuka get into depicting human beings metamorphosing into other sorts of things. Play nice and enjoy the same sphere as those people, or find another sphere--but the answer to 'can I take over this space and impose my whims', is *NO*.
I choke in a world where the metric of 'diversity' bitches at TF fans for what they fap at, and uses 'Trans' as a shield for steamrolling and homogenizing everything. Fuck that, I'd rather be offensive to your 'culture' and still be able to talk about trans-vixens. This zero-sum mentality espoused by the Trans community and its mindless backers is shit.
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jimbo8472
Yep animal prouns! TRIGGERED!
fohammer
Please do more of these CRISPR comics
Shaprite
Lol
whogives
this just my opinion
but i really think peoples need to EASE up on the MY PRONOUNS!
i agree its rude/disrespectful wont argue that! thats why i respect them if i know them
BUT! BUT! BUT!
they have the rights to call you or any one they want what ever they want! i rather be called a male then be called an idiot for example. The person would have their freedom of speech to call me others... okay calling me a male they might be assumed stupid or an ass hole besides point.
ps: if i dont like you and i wanna piss you off! chances are i might just purposefully call you the wrong pronouns to piss you the fuck off! because it shows to work time and time again!
and as of the guy calling her/someone a foxy lady
shouldnt she be flattered foxy lady is seen as a complument? would she rather foxy lady be seen as a insult
"urgh that woman was such a foxy/annoying/stupid/dumb lady" or
"wow that woman was such a foxy/sexy/cute lady"
idk i rather be called foxy it sounds sexier imo =p
KrazyIvan
whoa, sorry didn't mean to offend anyone. It was just satire.
Cathrope
Some people are just too touchy
Garoulobo
Offending somebody only shows that you're doing something right keep it up buddy
whogives
offend?
sorry wasn't offended
was just stating i find how she acting stupid on her part
whogives
wasnt touchy was just stating my opinion last i check i can do that cant i? i thought it was good just thought the womans reaction to being called foxy was stupid (HER REACTION NOT THE ARTIST KRAZYIVAN DID GREAT!)
whogives
with your response garoulobo does this mean krazy failed cause i wasnt offended
i just find the girl annoying and this whole respect my pronouns stupid
i get it but they have their rights is the point
and only thing i find more stupid is when any one gets pissed over a compliment
Cathrope
Sorry, miss read.
KrazyIvan
yeah i misread that too, i have come across a few things like this in the past that i was verbally beaten down by, my automatic response is to say "sorry didnt mean to offend".
KrazyIvan
my sister is a new wave feminist, cant say much that doesn't offend her. I called my female dog a bitch the other day and she scorned me for using a word that has "negative female connotations", even though i was using it in the literal sense. I'm all for equal rights for everyone and doing your best not to bully people or to not be condescending but some of this shit is ridiculous.
Pronouns are a tough subject, a lot of people involved are too quick to jump to the defensive, so much so that they are blind to looking at the issue objectively and realise that most people will not ask them what gender they'd preferred to be addressed as upon first meeting. I can understand being annoyed to have to tell most of everyone you meet that you prefer to be referred as "Xe" but most people simply don't care and will not go to the extra effort. Remember kid's: People are lazy dickwads.
Forgetit
It's one thing to hate on feminism and sjws, but really all you are doing is belittling transgender people's problems. Focus on your art and less on your new fave feminist sister.
KrazyIvan
Ok yeah im gonna stay out of this. I dont want to offend.
monorails
"Trans-animals", otherkin, and related genderspecials are not transgender people and conflating the two does far more to illegitimize actual trans problems far more than mocking them ever will.
whogives
@ krazyivan (and any 1 else misreaded it) its okay it happens
krazyivan its a good concept i definantly do believe when/if trans-animal happens there be very uh uptight my pronouns! or calling it "cat call" or "foxy lady" is an insult or what ever to my specie/race/culture/what ever
krazyivan
i do think you should do what ever you want you will end up offending peoples there nothing you can do that wont offend someone for some reason. but as some peoples been saying
offense is not given it is taken
whogives
forgetit as monorails said it kinda belittles the transgender community the ones that do make the effort to switch genders
monorails and forgetit
idk about most others but i for one would love to trans-animal with out a doubt but science is just not there and when it is we can bring it into play but until then monorails right it kinda belittle/illegitimize the true transgender community and their problem when u go around being a "otherkin werewolf" barking at barq rootbeer
whogives
i also would like to add
ive been picked on many times in elementry for being who i am....
now i dont agree with this for kids but adults should really stop caring what strangers says about them! only peoples that matters on their opinion is ur family/friends that you care about this is soemthing i believe everyone should do
if a random person doesnt respect you then let it be walk off and let him be because u probably wont see him again and if u do u never know ur next encounter can be better
one of my best friends from high school when i first met them i told them off thinking they were friends with a jackass at school
next time we met we bonded over a light saber and we became good friends
point:
let by gone be by gone and be the better/bigger person and let it roll off ur back and if u need to vent have a good friend to vent to that will listen and give constructive criticism if needed!
Swatcher
Yes, offending someone means you're doing something right, I really like the proof of this that you provided.
Swatcher
Then why did you post this??? Accept the consequences of your actions instead of handwaving like a coward.
sachichroma
+monorail Screw your zero-sum logic and white-knighting. The two interests can 'overlap', imbecile.
YOU'RE NOT HELPING.
sachichroma
+KrazyIvan
Don't apologize. Ever. The only people taking offense, are those who have something to gain from your apology.
sachichroma
+KrazyIvan
Just tell your sister she's acting like a sermonizing Protestant Christian. That should shut her up. (Seriously, you have my deepest Trans sympathies for living with a secular cultist.)
End story: You do not earn people's respect or compliance with your social terms by blackmailing and shaming them. That is the method of a tyrant. (Also, your sister is a bitch in the not literal sense--and petty and immature, to boot.)
furryluv3r_m-31
True
Cathrope
She's cute.
sachichroma
Seconded.
jaws18301
PLEASE make this into a sequence
Dragonfire3122
Reminds me of actual problems around LGBT
sachichroma
Species Justice Warriors? ;3
K-Libra
Oh, just make whatever you want and if there's a valid conversation then have it. Otherwise don't worry so much about offending people. They'll survive until the whole feeling blows over.
Garoulobo
Group hug everybody?
KrazyIvan
im glad this isn't like the youtube comments section.
Garoulobo
Why is that?
Swatcher
There are a lot of trans folks in the TF fandom, for reasons that I think are pretty clear. You're going to be responsible for the content that you put out into the world. You went through the effort of creating this, so you need to be prepared to back yourself up when people criticize this for being insensitive, which it is, or for focusing more on people who complain about injustice than on the injustice itself, which it also does.
I've seen way more complaints about SJWs than I've met people who fit the label. I've been shouted down by grown adults for using gender-neutral language in circumstances where gender was unimportant to the conversation. To paraphrase Margaret Atwood, cis folks are afraid trans folks will yell at them, trans folks are afraid that cis folks will kill them.
This kind of post, and the assenting replies below, really go to show how toxic this particular community is to social progress. This kind of post has consequences.
Bat
Thanks for saying this. I agree.
This thread could have gone worse, but it didn't go great, either. I am glad KrazyIvan says he isn't going to keep pursuing this material in his (otherwise very good) work.
sachichroma
+Swatcher
Swatcher, get fucked and let the 'trans folks in the TF fandom' stand up for themselves as individuals. We're not invalids, you moralizing cretin, we can make our own appeals if we feel threatened/hurt. Christ, what are you, the Pope of Trans-identity?
sachichroma
I think Ivan should keep at this. This is clearly a conversation people in the TF Fandom are afraid to have, and I think they should be having it.
anonymousweirdo
Swatcher
I agree with you. Everybody needs to back themselves up when confronted, unless it just isn't worth the time, which is a lot of the time now that I think about it.
I just don't see this as insensitive, though. I think it's less insensitive, and more that most people are too sensitive, use emotional reasoning and overreact to anything that they think should 'offend' them because it might not be "politically correct".
sachichroma
+theoneanonyminity
What this is, is called 'satire'. Something the gibbering loons of Social Justice and Political Correctness have forgotten or never learned the value of in the first place.
They forget it is entirely possible to be good-willed and thus meddle in and ruin the lives of others--(thus their whole typical hate for Christians and by extension Jews >=3)
Swatcher
This isn't about being a good or a bad person, so it doesn't matter what a person's will is or what they meant to do. This is just about actions and how they can contribute to a toxic atmosphere.
There's a reason people have emotions, and they affect cognition. Emotional reasoning can lead to you feeling that you're contributing to a toxic atmosphere. Like, "man, SJWs are fucking annoying and they piss me off, so they must be wrong, and I'm gonna let everyone know", not realizing that it drives folks off who might be great members of the community. Society needs sensitive people just as much as insensitive jerks who tell online strangers to get fucked without knowing a thing about them. Love to try to be serious and have a real conversation with someone who does that and who thinks anyone who agrees with me is a "gibbering loon".
I've seen trans folks leave the TF fandom over this kind of garbage, so that's the experience I'm speaking from.
sachichroma
+Swatcher I refute your concept of a 'Toxic' atmosphere. 'Toxic' for who? Why do you care? What's in it for you?
sachichroma
+Swatcher Moreover, I don't care about your group identity. I will enjoy the topic of TF whether there is a 'fandom' at the end of the day or not. Observe that this is a fandom about 'transformation', not 'defending Trans people's interests'. That would be the LGBT. Go on, scoot. Scurry off with the rest of the cthonic spider monsters that want hegemonic control over other people's interests. There are other artists I can follow, and other enthusiasts for me to get to know, who don't need a collective behind them to speak up. Shan't be missed.
sachichroma
+Swatcher By the way, it's not even that "SJWs are fucking annoying and piss me off". It's something much, much simpler than that. Ready? Brace yourself: *You speak up on behalf of other people, who don't want or require words to be shoved in their mouths, and are effectively dictatorial in how you go about forcing 'improvement' upon others. Moreover, doing this within a group-identity framework leads to the effect that you 'fumigate' an empty label, trying to clear it out for imaginary people, while dissing and dismissing all the real ones. Basically, get fucked infinitely on an IED in Lebanon, you pretend philanthropist.
anonymousweirdo
I probably should stop being a weeb and learn what terms mean... Like SJW....
Wow i déjà vu'd a bunch while typing this..
Forgetit
How do you delete someone else's message... holy shit...
anonymousweirdo
That'd be a nice feature...
Actually just being able to delete your own messages would be nice..
70% of what I post on the internet I regret about 4 hours later.
sachichroma
How do you delete someone else's message?
Weep tears over it. A lot of tears.
garig1510
Wow, did people here actually end up arguing about this being offensive to whichever group(s) it's (allegedly) offensive to? That is the problem with all these 'grouping': everyone thinks they have more rights than anyone else.
You have the right to not like the joke, but do you really have the right to tell people if they shouldn't draw anything similar in the future? If you say that you are just infringing upon their rights of free speech and opinion!
If someone uploads something here, why should they be prepared to defend it? If someone finds it offensive or insensitive... Well, tough break. No one's forcing you to like it, move along and do something else. But do not try to play the alleged hero and hurry to protect people's rights, because by doing so, you will only be suppressing other people's rights to their own opinion.
As K-Libra said, just draw whatever you wish! If people get sore over it, well... They will get better eventually!
sachichroma
+garig1510 Trans and not bothered by this in the slightest.
People overlook the fact that people who are Trans, and people who get bothered on behalf of Trans people, are two entirely different categories of individual. They needn't overlap.
It's entirely possible to be complete slime who gets offended on behalf of others, for their own sense of accomplishment/self-worth, and not even be Trans or care to be.
Really sick of being conflated with misguided do-gooders and fame-whores for progress.
sachichroma
I want my girl parts, and my fox parts, and I want left alone to my own devices. How hard is this to understand? I don't need 'protection'.
The problem when you start championing the 'Trans' identity, is that you stop championing the individuals whom that identity describes, who may all want and experience distinctly different things. It's a categorization nightmare.
Like, I've been on HRT for a year and a half, and discontinued it because it was making me sick. Given the means to be a healthy woman, I would pursue procedures to approach that goal--but I'm not crushed under the burden of some kind of pathology, and I'm not 'confused' about my interests. Another person might have a different story, and they'll at some point get identified using a similar label.
The point is that the entire premise of the Trans Label is a nebulous monster that silences all the varying individuals beneath it--we're not going to fit into a one-size fits all mold.
Swatcher
"Do you really have the right to tell people if they shouldn't draw anything similar in the future?"
Yes. That is also free speech, bozo.
sachichroma
+sachichroma
And likewise, I have the right to indifference to your sermons, because they help no one but you, wanting to be in power over others.
sachichroma
+sachichroma
*reaches in from outside the comic strip, and switches +sachichroma out for +Swatcher in the previous post*
garig1510
Swatcher
It might be, but there is one catch: you have the right to say whatever you want. But! You don't have the right to tell people what they should and shouldn't do, because by saying so, you are placing your rights to free speech higher than theirs. Your rights end where his begin. End of story.
Therefore what gives you more right than him to decide what he wishes to post?
sachichroma
+garig1510
But don't you understand, Garig? They're the Swatcher! They speak for the Trans! (they're all voiceless and vegetative pathological invalids, don't you know--gotta get that authoritarian foot in the door... just... take this fucking duck tape, stifle your hate speech, and accommodate the Advocacy-borg)
Bullish
Free speech: someone all furries are gay promiscuous degenerates.
Also free speech: Replying to the first statement in a hostile manner.
Tone policing: A trans person calling out someone for using a label they don't like.
also tone policing: trying to silence said trans person by calling them a "SJW", "postermodernist cultural marxist", demanding "civil discourse", etc.
Identity politics: Saying one is fighting for feminists, BLM, trans people, MRAs, etc.
Also identity politics: Pushing for policies as part of "Judeo-Christian culture", "Western Civilization", "Republican" or "Democratic party values", etc.
Side note-don't get too excited about CRISPR technology. You can bet your ass that a lot of people, playing identity politics to the hilt, will be using Judeo-Christian identity to stop somatic tissue CRISPR applications, much less germ-line applications.
Bullish
But I do like the artistic results for the image.
sachichroma
Bullish: They've been trying, and failing, since the early 'oughts. Say hello to glow-in-the-dark cats.
Slow progress, maybe. Stop it? Hold on tight to your Bibles and jabber about Revelations, kiddos.
sachichroma
Bullish:
Also, it's not a 'Judeo-Christian' identity. You have Jews who observe Judaism, you have people who understand and observe Christianity, and you have confused people in the middle who observe Messianic Judaism, which is like a frankenstein's-monster of the two belief systems, that leads to your crazy evangelical bigots. There is no 'Judeo-Christian' identity. They're totally different belief systems that just happened to be forcefully merged, under one secular society (Rome).
sachichroma
Free Speech's use, described in the best sense I can possibly put to words.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPbxqorbds4
Swatcher
Ahahahaha is that a Jordan Peterson video??? That guy's an ivory tower intellectual nothingburger who woos morons using big words into believing the thing they always wanted to believe anyway with zero evidence to back him up. Have you seen his grand theory diagrams? They look like fucking timecube.
If you take him seriously you're a huge rube.
sachichroma
+Swatcher
Ah yes, the brainwashing shows. Run, run from the evil pseud professor, Swatcher. I thought that might push your buttons.
I like Peterson's position on Free Speech, and his understanding of Jungian psychology. I think he needs to read up more on Buddhism before he spouts nonsense about it matching with his assertions. But I am entirely in line with his position on the premise of compelled-speech.
sachichroma
+Swatcher Not that you have any respect for others to allow people to formulate their own opinions about folks like Peterson, to begin with, mind. That's all gotta be joystick driven by committee, clearly.
JaneFW
Ah yes, Jordan Peterson, who loves free speech so much he's suing a university for saying mean things about him.
Hey remember the time he suggested enforced monogamy to deal with incels?
sachichroma
+JaneFW He's suing a university for defamation, because members within that university put Lindsey Shephard, a teacher within the university system, under a tribunal for airing footage of his lectures--conflating that with airing content from Hitler non-critically.
You've got nothing, chief.
sachichroma
+JaneFW
And no. I don't remember that time he suggested enforced monogamy to deal with incels. Links?
GrahGolt
It's a shame that 65%-79% of people have antibodies that destroy CRISPR proteins.
sachichroma
A problem for the scientists and engineers, of course.
anonymousweirdo
Thats disappointing.
Well, if something like this ever happens, I sure hope I don't have those antibodies!
sachichroma
+theoneanonyminity
It's entirely likely that a way is found to dissuade the immune system from attacking these sorts of proteins or their products. It's just another hurdle for the field of immunology to resolve.
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-018-00335-8
anonymousweirdo
oh yey
science, if you could science faster, that would be very nice.
JaneFW
For a community that likes jacking it to "TG" y'all are kinda dicks to actual trans people.
Forgetit
For real...
sachichroma
Oh, don't pull that 'mean to the actual trans people' crap on me. For all you know, the people here are actual trans people, fed up with the constant policing. You might as well be condemning people here in the name of 'God'.
Sausages
As an actual trans person, I'm in the "this strongly reminds me of the kind of things transphobes come out with to 'satirise*' us camp".
But by all means keep screaming into the void that it's all just made up.
* Satire's key feature is, of course, ridiculing power via an exaggeration that reveals the flaws in said power. If this piece were meant as satire, it would fail on both accounts (neither the TF community nor trans people are in a position of power, and comparing animal TF to being trans isn't a sound argument).
sachichroma
+Sausages
"But muh power."
Shut up, *prole*. You're not getting *power*, either. You gonna have the TF fandom labeled a bunch of transphobic oppressors, then? Well, I'm going to take exception to that and resist your petty whims. Don't like it? Tough.
I like TF, I don't like your power games. I could give a flip whether your minge/cock is real or not, or how much you dilate. If you sat and thought for a second, you'd come to the conclusion that most people here don't care about it, either. Surprisingly, some people fantasize a transformation, because they might want to pursue it of their own free will, and guess what, bitch: YOU DON'T CARE ABOUT THOSE PEOPLE BEING A DIS-EMPOWERED MINORITY, EITHER.
But go on, tell us how being told what to think and say is better at making us not hate you, than us deciding you're fine, of our own ability to reason. Cry how you're the 'one true prole', and all the other groups are just pretenders, who need to kneel and play stair for you.
sachichroma
+Sausages
The answer is: "This is your confirmation bias that everyone hates you, activating, and you turning to authoritarian attitudes and class struggle power-games, to get what you want."
So no, I don't care that your 'culture' is taking offense, because it never sat down at the table to negotiate that group identity with the rest of the world, and it can't, because Trans is not a monolith. You're not a tribe, or a nation, or even an ethnicity. Your best argument is that some Trans folks have similar motives or a similar pathology--but they're not all in the same camp as you, and short of oppressing out all the outliers who see themselves as Trans, but aren't Trans enough by your standards, that's never going to happen--so sit on a pike and rotate.
sachichroma
+Sausage
It always fascinates me how you hypocrites can't see that this door swings both ways within your own philosophical rubric.
No one is mandated to care about your Trans narrative, the same way you are not mandated to care why people like Osamu Tezuka get into depicting human beings metamorphosing into other sorts of things. Play nice and enjoy the same sphere as those people, or find another sphere--but the answer to 'can I take over this space and impose my whims', is *NO*.
Sausages
...I have no idea what you're on about.
I'm into TF, too. I only pointed out that this specific piece has specific problems with it. Geez.
sachichroma
+sachichroma
I think you either know 'exactly' what I'm talking about, or are too oblivious to anyone's problems but your own, to care what I'm talking about.
Either is fine by me. We can trade incoherent infantile whining all day.
sachichroma
+Sausage
goddamn, this site needs an edit/delete option for comments. *slams +Sausages in, in place of +sachichroma, in the previous post*
anonymousweirdo
Also, to mention someone put @ in front of their name instead of +.
altfur
Well, I laughed. I think this is good satire. People need to learn to laugh at themselves.
altfur
Although, I didn't notice the title til now. That may have been a bit too much on the nose.
sachichroma
I choke in a world where the metric of 'diversity' bitches at TF fans for what they fap at, and uses 'Trans' as a shield for steamrolling and homogenizing everything. Fuck that, I'd rather be offensive to your 'culture' and still be able to talk about trans-vixens. This zero-sum mentality espoused by the Trans community and its mindless backers is shit.
altfur
Be offensive as you like.
sachichroma
I fart in your general direction? Your mother was a hamster, and your father smelt of elderberries...?
altfur
Watch your french.
furryluv3r_m-31
LMAO, this is freaking perfect
thelonglostdoggo
FACTS:
Being a furry is not a gender
You don't need a pronoun just cos You're a furry
And dirty culture is not racial culture it's fandom culture, like anime or video games.
Blakgryf
Political Correctness:
killing the world's sense of humor, one topic at a time.